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Sadhu [Saint] means... First test is that he is unflinching, without any deviation. Api cet sudura..., bhajate mam ananya-bhak. Ananya-bhak means he does not know anything except the service of the Lord. That is the qualification of sadhu. So similarly, in other places also, the definition of sadhu is there. Sadhu means titiksavah: he's very tolerant because a sadhu has to face so many opposing elements and sometimes very offensive, but he has to tolerate. Titiksavah. At the same time, karunikah, very merciful. The same man who is torturing him, torturing him, he is trying to convince him about Krsna. That means very merciful. He's not rejecting. Although he's torturing him, but he's trying to convince him, Krsna. Therefore karunikah. And he is not friend of any particular society or man. Suhrdah sarva-dehinam. He is well-wisher of all living entities. It doesn't matter whether he's Indian, American, or black and white. No, no conception. Or even human being or animal. He is kind to everyone, friend, well-wisher of everyone. Ajata-satravah. He does not create any enemies. Such... These are the qualifications of sadhu.
[Srila Prabhupada from a Room Conversation with Malcolm, July 18, 1973, London]
Note: So although Tamal and co. were torturing Prabhupada, His Divine Grace was trying to convince them about Krishna.
The very thing that Prabhupada describes about a sadhu [himself] above, is revealed very clearly in the super excellent work of Dhanesvara prabhu. In chapter five of "When a Man is Poisoned It Is Said Like That", Prabhupada's tolerance and mercy is clearly manifested.
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Before we take a look at chapter five of Dhanesvara prabhu's work, let us have a look at chapter three:
Chapter Three -- An Introduction to
The Phenomena of Reverse Speech Much of this chapter is taken from a paper I had written for my Reverse Speech training class. David Oates liked it and has posted it on his web site under the "Student Papers" section. It provides an introduction to the phenomena, but it is not exhaustive. The reader is encouraged to expand his or her understanding of Reverse Speech by visiting the Reverse Speech web site and by practicing locating their own speech reversals using the wave editing software included on this CD.
The Discovery and History of Reverse Speech The discovery of Reverse Speech, like so many important discoveries in this world, came as an accident, or perhaps we should say, serendipity. Its discovery came about as a result of an intentional act, a marketing ploy by entertainers who led a generation with their creative endeavors—the Beatles. Perhaps as a means to turn around their failing popularity as a result of a serious faux pax, saying that they were more popular than Christ, the Beatles intentionally dubbed a soundtrack in reverse onto one of their recordings. The idea was to challenge fans to see if they could find hidden verbal messages. It worked. All over the world people were buying Beatles albums and recordingsof other performers and manually rotating their turntables backwards to see if they could hear the messages. The surprise however, was that along with the messages that were intentionally placed in reverse, other messages, references to Satan, were also found—messages which seemed to confirm what some had believed all along—rock and roll music was inspired by the devil! Messages intentionally recorded in reverse came to be known as "backward masking" and when the recording was played in reverse they were as intelligible and clear as any forward recording was. When the record was played in regular forward mode the backward masking was usually "buried" among the guitar riffs so as to be "masked," and not meant to be heard well. These messages varied among performers from straightforward communications to cryptic and mysterious messages which may have had no factual meaning. The search for backward masked messages led to the surprise findings of other intelligible sounds, and many references to Satan. The morality of people in the '70's was still such that this was shocking to many people (Good thing it wasn't discovered in the '90's—it might just have been written off as "normal"). Such findings led to the thorough examination of hundreds of rock music recordings in reverse, and the findings of many references to Satan and hell. Parents became concerned that their children were being unwittingly subjected to satanic programming, ministers railed against the decadence of rock and roll music, and legislation was even introduced in California to require record publishers to warn listeners of any records which intentionally had backward sounds recorded.
One Person Listened Further While the sensation of backward masking and satanic messages was tormenting the more righteous among us, no one it seems had the curiosity of looking at the phenomena further—except for one inspired individual in Australia, David John Oates, a former insurance broker. Working at the time as a youth counselor, those in his charge had come to him with the shocking news. David, in an effort to dispel the idea, rigged a tape player to play in reverse, and found out that it was indeed true—intelligible messages were found when recording were played in reverse. He also had the initiative to see if the phenomena was limited to music, or if such messages were also present in other forms of communication. He began to play all types of recordings backwards—speeches, conversation, arguments, infants cooing and babbling—and made what will surely come to be known as one of the most significant discoveries of all time: all human verbal communication has not just a public face, the one meant to be shown, but it also has a hidden side, one that is covert but which communicates nonetheless, additional information which is just as, or perhaps even more important than, the sounds which we consciously hear. David became very involved in the study of speech reversals and eventually labeled this form of communication "Reverse Speech," a very descriptive moniker. His study became very thorough. He doc*mented a variety of forms and structures of reversals and categorized them, and connected the voices of the reversals with the understanding of the subconscious and collective unconscious as put forward by Carl Jung. The study became quite deep and detailed, and gradually evolved to a general theory of verbal human communication. The theory, developed over a decade of research, contributes immensely to our understanding of the communication process, and brings to humanity a new and bright horizon in communication to see and explore.
The Theory of Reverse Speech and Speech Complimentarity Oates' called his general theory of verbal human communication The Theory of Reverse Speech and Speech Complimentarity and it addresses the significant features of Reverse Speech. It states that 1) Human speech has two distinctive and complementary functions and modes, and 2) these two modes of speech are dependent upon each other. The Overt, or Conscious, Mode is spoken forwards and is constructed by conscious cognitive processes. The Covert, or Unconscious, Mode, spoken simultaneously with the Overt Mode, is a reversal of forward speech sounds constructed by subconscious processes. Together they form an integral part of communication, and both modes of speech together communicate the total psyche of a person—conscious as well as unconscious.
But How Does It Happen? How does Reverse Speech happen? How does the human mind construct cognitive, meaningful communication in reverse while speech goes on forward? Oates' research has shown that speech reversals occur with greater frequency when the speaker is more emotionally charged. Formal speeches have very few reversals, perhaps one every two to three minutes. As a person speaks in a more informal and relaxed environment the reversals increase in number. And when a person is highly emotionally aroused the reversals will occur with a frequency of every 2-3 seconds. These findings show that emotions play an important role in Reverse Speech. Emotions have been shown to be a function of the right hemisphere of the brain. Hence, Reverse Speech Theory suggests that while the left side of the brain generates the overt, forward speech, it is the right side of the brain which contributes the covert, reverse speech. The right side of the brain then must work in conjunction with the left side of the brain so that the words chosen in overt communication will create sounds which form the intelligible sounds of the covert communication. An amazing feat! This can account for a speaker's pauses, stammerings, and fumbling over the choice of words as he speaks. The words are we choose to express our conscious mind are in part selected by the unconscious mind to communicate our unconscious thoughts.
The Many Parts of Reverse Speech Reverse Speech is as universal a language as forward speech—everyone speaks it, and we all hear it. However, Reverse Speech differs in many ways from normal forward speech. Thousands of hours of studying many tens of thousands of speech reversals by Oates has revealed significant variety in: * the information content of reversals spoken, * the language of Reverse Speech, * the syntax of reversals, * the tense, * and the intended audience for the reversals. It should be noted that this work has been pioneered largely by David Oates but has subsequently been confirmed by dozens of Reverse Speech investigators over the years. This report adds nothing original to Oates' work, but reports what he has learned through years of tedious research.
Chapter Five: Conversations in Reverse Speech
Reverse Speech Conversation Four
Prabhupada Appeals to Tamal Prabhupada wants Tamal to save him and in this exchange repeatedly appeals to him in a number of ways, such as challenging his ego and even offering a bribe. He is aware that Tamal is not listening to him however. Tamal is resolute and rebuffs Prabhupada by telling him flatly that he cannot be saved. This section is taken from BBT tape T38B Counter 263 forward.
The locations of speech reversals are noted by square brackets [ ].
So far I am thinking, I'm not improving in strength. And how can I improve [by drinking little] [barley and milk] and little fruit juice? I have no appetite for anything else. [In case] I... [Most probably], I am diminishing my strength. So...
Tamal Krishna: [Most probably diminish your strength]?
Prabhupada: [Yes, because...]
Tamal Krishna: [How]? I don't see that you're diminishing in your strength.
Prabhupada: Yes, I cannot sit.
Tamal Krishna: But you haven't been able to sit for a long time. You mean you cannot si[t up now even.]
Prabhupada: [In that also, I am diminished.]
Tamal Krishna: That's a fact. Now when you try and sit up, you always fall over to the side.
Prabhupada: So in case... ["In case," no]. From the fact I can see that I have no appetite. [Then how I can increase] strength?
Tamal Krishna: Well, I can only repeat the words of the Kaviraj.
Prabhupada: No, that is not...
Tamal Krishna: He states that you can't expect to eat as long as the liver and the kidneys are not functioning properly.
Prabhupada: So that is not functioning.
Tamal Krishna: Well, he says that he can get it to function properly.
Prabhupada: [He says], but I practically see.
Tamal Krishna: But his medicine cannot... He also says that his medicine [cannot be judged] over a period of five or six days.
Srila Prabhupada: He will not listen
[and drinking little] Prabhupada comments that Tamal will not listen to any argument, and he therefore offers him a bribe in the next speech reversal. This bribe may refer to money or anything else that Prabhupada can offer.
Srila Prabhupada: Name thy number
[from barley and milk] Prabhupada instructed his disciples in diplomatic ways of dealing with others, bribery sometimes working where other appeals will not. Here is is following his own advice by offering Tamal whatever he would like if he will save him.
Srila Prabhupada: Save ya { }you remember some?
[in case], I [most probably] Prabhupada here reminds Tamal that he saved Tamal by bringing him to Krishna Consciousness, and asks him if he can remember what he has done for him. This is an appeal to his sense of indebtedness to Prabhupada.
Tamal Krishna: That's a shame, b-but your life's up
[Most probably diminish your strength?] Tamal declines the offer by simply telling him that his life is finished. Tamal already had full control of the movement and its assets anyway so the bribe meant nothing to him. As we heard above Tamal was firmly of the opinion that everyone would follow him after it was all through.
Link Reversal: Tamal: What Srila Prabhupada: love is this?
[Yes, because... Tamal: How?] A link reversal. Link reversals indicate deep understanding, sympathy or congruity between the two speakers. Prabhupada and Tamal both knew the score here and what was transpiring. Given the circ*mstances they speak together as a single voice to ask what kind of love is this where the disciple neglects the order of the guru, and takes his money and his life. Notice that the quality of Tamal's voice is raspy and matches Prabhupada's here, as the tonal quality is shared in all Link Reversals.
Srila Prabhupada: You sound like you failed
[yes, I cannot sit] Prabhupada challenges Tamal's ego by this statement. Tamal replies in the next reversal totally undaunted.
Tamal Krishna: Maybe I am glad
You mean you cannot si[t up now even.] In a direct affront Tamal expresses possible joy at the way things have gone. He is not intimidated by Prabhupada's challenges.
Srila Prabhupada: You're embarrassed I found ya
[in that also I am diminished] Again Prabhupada challenges Tamal, and let's him know that his activities have been revealed. In this exchange Prabhupada uses various psychological manipulations to look for Tamal's weakness. A master of human psychology, Prabhupada is working Tamal from every angle. Tamal feels this as indicated in his next reversal "dodge the panic." He is skillfully acting to avoid losing his will to kill Prabhupada.
Srila Prabhupada: Try 'n save me
So in case... ["In case," no]. From the fact I can see that I have no appetite. Now Prabhupada challenges Tamal in a positive sense to save him. Prabhupada clearly would like to change the way things are going, but we have seen clearly that all the while he was surrendered to the will of the Lord. As he often quoted, man proposes, God disposes. By his actions and speech he was proposing to go on with his life and his mission. Another proof that this was no mercy killing.
Srila Prabhupada: See if can make you wanna
[Then how I can increase] strength? Is there any way Prabhupada can make Tamal want to save him? He's already offered to bribe him, made a direct appeal, and challenged him in several ways: his ego in failing, his sense of indebtedness and his love. Next he will attempt from a position of authority telling him that his work is not done until he saves his life. All of this of course is to no effect.
Tamal Krishna: Dodge the panic
[cannot be judg]ed Tamal is feeling the pressure of these appeals and challenges, and with this self-talk coaches himself to avoid panic.
Srila Prabhupada: You can be done when ya save the (me) life
[that in case I do not increase.] Prabhupada's next attempt and challenge. Tamal recognizes it as such and clearly rebuffs him with the next reversal.
Tamal Krishna: You cannot be save
All right. Okay. In [case you don't increase]. Because I don't think we can say... Unless we want to say that this Kaviraj is absolutely wrong. But if we accept... The arguments presented here by Prabhupada are so complete and thorough that this could well be a conversation in forward speech. He has attempted to gain Tamal's cooperation through every conceivable angle. Tamal cautions himself and flatly refuses to comply. Can anyone say these are coincidental sounds? Impossible. This conversation is completely consistent with and relevant to the drama that is being played out at the time.
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I offer countless humble obeisances to my Gurudevatma, om vishnupad Sri Srimad Bhaktivedanta Narayan Maharaj, and to the Guru parampara and all Vaishnavas and Vaishnavis.
When I first use to listen to my Gurudeva speak, I could barely undestand him. His accent seemed very thick to me. As I became more familiar with his way of talking, I could then begin to understand, at least practically, what he is saying.
I remember when he used to say, "It remembers me"(instead of "It reminds me") I thought it was the most beautiful soothing balm any ears could relish!! I have transcribed this lecture which has been misrepresented. If you have any questions, write me! And Though his broken language is sweet, His intelligence defeats that of the greatest scholars. What I really like about this class, is that point about woman NOT being pap yonah, (having sinful birth and life). He is actually defending Srila Prabhupad by saying this. PLEASE TAKE NOTE: Srila SRILA PRABHUPADA'S WORDS HAVE BEN EDITED SO MUCH BY UNSCRUPULOUS MEN. I have seen with my own eyes and compaired older versions of Bhagavad Gita with newer versions and was infuriated.
This video does not begin at the beginning of his class, and it has a few black spots.
In this beautiful lecture given by Srila Bhaktivedanta Narayan Maharajji, this verse
"mam hi partha vyapasritya ye 'pi syuh papa-yonayah
striyo vaisyas tatha sudras te 'pi yanti param gatim"
Word for Word:
mam--unto Me; hi--certainly; partha--O son of Prtha; vyapasritya--particularly taking shelter; ye--anyone; api--also; syuh--becomes; papa-yonayah--born of a lower family; striyah--women; vaisyah--mercantile people; tatha--also; sudrah--lower-class men; te api--even they; yanti--go; param--supreme; gatim--destination.
is nicely explained.
The editors of Srila Prabhupad's Bhagavad Gita AS IT IS made a mistake in printing the Verse 32 of chapter 9, translation.
They added a dash (-) where a comma should have been. So the verse with the mis-edit (or perhaps even a typo or misprint) looks like this:
O son of Prtha, those who take shelter in Me, though they be of lower birth--women, vaisyas [merchants], as well as sudras [workers]--can approach the supreme destination.
In actuallity the verse SHOULD look like this:
son of Prtha, those who take shelter in Me, though they be women, vaisyas [merchants], sudras [workers], as well as those of lower birth, can approach the supreme destination.
(note that English grammar is backwards )
A woman, A Vaisya (merchant class) and a Sudra (working class) Are not of sinful birth, paap yonah. Srila Prabhupad explains in his purport According to different modes of material nature, men are classified in he mode of goodness, (brahmanas), the mode of passion, (ksetriyas, or administrators), the mixed mode of passion and ignorance, (vaishas, or merchantile people) and the mode of ignorance (sudra or worker class) ........."THOSE LOWER THAN THEM ARE CALLED CHANDALAS, AND THEY ARE BORN IN SINFUL FAMILIES."
Who is of sinful birth? this verse from Srimad Bhagavatam, Canto 2 Ch. 4 text 18 explains who is PAAP YONAH, of low birth. "kirata-hunaandhra-pulinda-pulkasa
aabhir-sumbhaa yavanaah khasaadayah
ye 'nye ca paapaa yad-apaasrayaasrayaah
sudhyanti tasmai prabhavishnave"
translation:
Kirata, Huna, Andra, Pulinda, Pulkasa, Abhira, Sumbha, Yavana, members of Khasa races and even others addicted to sinful acts can be purified by taking shelter of the devotees of the Lord. due to His being the spreme power. I beg to offere my respectful obeisances unto Him."
Srila Prabhupad explains .."the above-mentioned historical names are different nations of the world."
He describes each one, then he says, "Even those who are constantly engaged in sinful acts are corrigible to the standard of perfect human beings, if they take shelter of the devotees of the Lord. Gurudev explains that those whose lives are full of sinful activities, who eat meat, drink whine, etc etc, are PAAP YONAH. I have transcribed the video so, so if you would like the transcription please tell me.
sincerely, an aspiring servant of the servants of Srila Gurudeva,
Suchandra dasi
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